Showing posts with label poetics of translation. Show all posts
Showing posts with label poetics of translation. Show all posts

8/6/08

Trout Fishing In Persia: Kafka's Hat


Ali Reza Behnam, Persian Poet, Journalist and Translator, has published his first Persian translation from Brautigan's poetry. Behnam's translation is very compatible with Brautigan's poetic according to his experience as a poet from language poetry school.

Brautigan in Iran has been introduced by the translation of "Trout fishing in America". Another poet, almost from the same school, Houshyar Ansarifar is the translator of this novel. His brilliant translation re-create this marvelous novel for Persian audiences.

9/25/07

"You are a Pipe" by Eiríkur Örn Norðdahl

I

One’s understanding of one’s own language is limited, one’s understanding of other languages is even more limited, and a perfect transferal of a text from one language to another is impossible simply because the languages are two different ones. “Boat” is not the same as “bátur,” which is not the same as “Boot” or “båt”, let alone “bateau”. So much is obvious.

To translate poetry is to write poetry by procedure, inasmuch as such an act is possible. One is made to choose which characteristics get to remain the same, inasmuch as they can remain the same – form, appearance, alliteration and other similar phonetic characteristics, rhyme, ideas and association of ideas, wordplay, continuity, story, allusions, semantics, semiotics, etc. – and then one is made to choose what gets to enter the work that wasn’t there previously. It is inevitable that many things will, since any kind of transferal of text adds layers to what was written, while peeling others off. If we take for example Borges’ famous story about Pierre Menard, who takes it upon himself to rewrite Don Quixote word for word in the 20th century, then that book, as Borges ironically points out, is another phenomenon than the one Cervantes wrote in the 17th century: Menard writes in a style which is unnatural to him, whereas Cervantes merely wrote in the colloquial of his time. The two works are different because they are written by different men in different times, even though the letters, words, sentences and paragraphs are the same and in the same order. The American poet Kenneth Goldsmith performs similar acts; he writes down previously existing language – including an entire issue of The New York Times (Day), everything he said for a week (Soliloquy), the weather report (The Weather). This has been called a N+0 translation, named after the Oulipo method N+7, where the words in a text (e.g. all nouns) are replaced with the seventh following noun in a certain dictionary. Translation as fair copy, the recreation of the same is an impossible feat, the translation is always new.

A large portion of foreign experimental poetry today (avant-garde, post-avant, radical, language, digital, flarf, post-langpo, post-prairie, etc.) deals with a presentation, interpretation and a representation which to some extent strives for some sort of transformation, or even destruction, of language itself. Language is treated as any other raw material – its meaning is split and stretched, and its physical attributes (sound and picture) are split and stretched.

A text is a collection of meanings, phonemes and morphemes used to express something about “reality” through “reality”. Metaphorical “reality” is used to convey something which the reader can relate to in his own “reality”. Language is an independent reality within reality. The task of poetry is then to punch holes in the language of either, or both, of these realities – to seek a way out of the predominant social pact of text as reality and life as reality. Through the holes it might be possible to see something new, and language will heal in a different shape.

Many of the poems in this book are translated from English, a language which is diffferent from Icelandic mostly for not being a single language, but many. The poems in English are written by people of many nationalities who have English as a native language while others are written by people who have other native languages (Caroline Bergvall is French/Norwegian, Gherardo Bortolotti is Italian for example) As the Finnish poet Leevi Lehto has pointed out, this language – english-as-a-second-language – is the real lingua franca of the world, being spoken by considerable more people than english-as-a-first-language.

There is no way of translating Australian English into Australian Icelandic, or American English into American Icelandic. You can’t even localise by using homegrown dialects, since the little that remains of such things in this nation of the linguistic holocaust, quite simply won’t suffice (not that it would produce a more accurate “translation”). In this aspect Icelandic and English belong to different worlds.

Experimental poetry as represented in this book has been produced in the English speaking world for several decades by dozens of thousands of individuals, each of whom has done their bit to widen (or tighten, blast, transform, deform) the idea of English as a language – while Icelandic has enjoyed a rather limited amount of similar experiments in its literary history, and has, it seems, had to deal with a serious nutritional deficiency in the last years, there not being very much that escapes from under the petticoats of Icelandic proof-readers. Maybe the poets like it there.

II

Just as you can not translate anything between two languages, nothing is untranslatable once you realize that nothing is translatable. A translation of literary work is never the same work, but a new work related to the former – the German philosopher Friedrich Schleiermacher (1763-1834) said that an artist could view a translation of his works by imagining what his child would look like, had his wife had it with another man (the gender roles of this example are from Schleiermacher – they can be reversed without getting sand in one’s vagina).

Since nothing (and yet everything) can be translated between two languages, it must be just as (im)possible to translate between more than two languages. That is to say to translate someone else’s translation of a poem from a third party. This used to be common practice in Iceland, but this transit has since been deemed shoddy according to the classical theory of translation, or so I’ve been told. But seeing as the final outcome – the translation – is only a relative of the original work, it should not really matter whether it’s a first or second cousin. It is only fair that the relations are mentioned – who begat whom with whom where and whatfor.

Most of the poems in this book are translated from the original language, although a few have been borrowed from other translators. Details can be found in the commentary section at the end of the book.

III

Even the greatest prudes in Finland would regularly say “voi vittu” without flinching, and this goes for everyone from winterwargrandmothers to pillowfightinghomosexuals to lollipopgirls. The words can be literally translated in at least two fashions – either as “oh, cunt!” or “butter cunt”. Most probably most Finns believe themselves to be saying “oh, cunt!”. But the weight and meaning of these words are not necessarily “the same” from one language to another – he or she who shouts “smörfitta” at the dinner table in Sweden, is not performing the same act as one saying “voi vittu” on the other side of the Baltic, and it is to be expected that Swedish housewives would shake their fists vigorously at such language.

In traditional translation the phrase would be “damn it”, or similar. But the words are of course not “damn it”, they are “butter cunt”. Or, I mean, in a matter of saying.

The Swedish profanity linguist Magnus Ljung divides profanities into several different categories, including theological (“damn”), expletives (“oh!”), fecal (“shit”), sex-related (“cunt”), and many others. The different categories are used differently in different languages. The most powerful of profanities seek to break taboos, go further than others have gone before, even though most of those used on an everyday basis stay far within those limits. But when we wish to go further, we employ the unusual, or original, and seek new ways to express our dissatisfaction. So it happens that something which is completely mundane in one language, like “voi vitto” in Finnish, becomes excruciatingly vulgar in another.

There is somewhat of a tradition for normalisation in the translation of literary work. An idiom in the language being translated is changed into another idiom in the target language, the names of places and characters are even changed, word-plays are twisted to be understood etc. Anything exotic is normalised.

Naturally people disagree on whether it is more important, in the consumption of art, to understand or to sense, but most (perhaps too many) seem to avoid that which they don’t understand, or even reject it completely.

Were I to paint a picture of Kallio (my neighborhood in Helsinki) for the Icelandic market in the same method as many translations are done, I would normalise it – I would change the supermarket chain Alepa into the supermarket chain Bónus, a tram would become a bus, brothels would be solariums, and the flowers grass. Because for an Icelandic person bus means the same as a tram does for a Finnish one (except the trams are on time and used by many – but then translations are merely approximations).

When you come to a new place one of the most enjoyable things to see are those that are different from those places one is used to. Here in Kallio I become amazed seeing three brothels side-by-side, with a sex-shop on one side and a strip-joint on the other. I look into the bottomless misery of the winos in my neighborhood like a well that no one knows where ends, or whether it does at all, and I learn something new about man, where he can get (out of sight).

In a recent book of poems from Linh Dinh (whose poetry can be found in this very collection), Jam Alerts, there is a poem in the form of a book review on the poetry translations of a man named Reggis Tongue – and Reggis deals in unnormalised translations. The poem quotes a prologue by Reggis to his selected translations:

Slovenly translators - bums, basically - think they have to choose between music and sense. To pin down meanings, many of them squash the tune. To ape the melody, they ditch or deface the semaphores. They don't realize that syntax is melody. A translator must ignore the indigineous drumming echoing in his lumpy head and obey the alien word-order, rhythm of what he's translating. Make it strange - never try to domesticate a foreign poem!
In most cases in this book no attempt was made to normalise text, and that which sounded strange was simply allowed to sound strange. In the light of the work being translated, i.e. work that deals with language and stretches it, it is very possible that in some places the poems are more strange, more incomprehensible, than were they to be read in the original language, although I still hope that they will allow access to some of the thought originally bestowed on them.

As well as being capable of producing weirdness, unnormalised translations can cause misunderstandings which can even be dangerous, particularly when the reader is not aware of the fact that other paradigms govern other languages. In this way I suspect that when the media proclaims that Iranian president Mahmoud Ahmadinejad says that the American movie mogul Oliver Stone is “a part of the devil”, it is only proper to wonder what meaning that translation, which I expect is literal, has. Do they mean that Ahmadinejad literally believes that Stone is possessed – that the devil lives within him – or was his point quite simply one I suppose we can all agree on, that Oliver Stone is a part of the machinery of American capitalism?

It has also been claimed repeatedly that Ahmadinejad wanted to “wipe Israel of the map”. This has been chewed, back and forth, as the God’s honest truth. However, the British newspaper The Guardian printed the following correction on the 22nd of February, 2007:

Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, president of Iran, has not “called for Israel to be wiped off the map”. The Farsi phrase he employed is correctly translated as “this regime occupying Jerusalem must vanish from the page of time”. He was quoting a statement by Iran's first Islamist leader, the late Ayatollah Khomeini.

Then of course we might wonder where Ahmadinejad is going with this.

It should be duly noted that the author of this text is no specialist in Iranian politics, and does not take a stance on whether or not Ahmadinejad is “evil” or “good”, but is mostly skeptical of both the media and politicians.


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This text is an english translation by Eiríkur Örn Norðdahl of the prologue to his new icelandic poetry translation anthology, 131.839 slög með bilum, which features poetry by the following poets:

Charles Bernstein , Jon Paul Fiorentino, Susana Gardner, Oscar Rossi, Kirby Olson, Leevi Lehto, Sharon Mesmer, Jan Hjort, Jesse Ball, Markku Paasonen, Jack Kerouac, Derek Beaulieu, Katie Degentesh, Paul Dutton, Nada Gordon, Paal Bjelke Andersen, Gherardo Bortolotti, Daniel Scott Tysdal, Iain Bamforth, Michael Lentz, Anne Waldman, Teemu Manninen, Mike Topp, Ida Börjel, Amiri Baraka, S. Baldrick, bp Nichol, Charles Bukowski, Mairead Byrne, Mark Truscott, John Tranter, Sylvia Legris, Maya Angelou, Bruce Andrews, Haukur Már Helgason, Craig Dworkin, Shanna Compton, Lars Mikael Raattamaa, Vito Acconci, K. Silem Mohammad, Frank Bidart, Rita Dahl, damian lopes, Jelaluddin Rumi, Rachel Levitsky, Tom Leonard, Hans Magnus Enzensberger, Ian Hamilton Finlay, Ulf Karl Olov Nilsson, Caroline Bergvall, Christian Bök, e. e. cummings, Saul Williams, a. rawlings, Stephen Cain, Jeff Derksen, Linh Dinh, Nico Vassilakis, Martin Glaz Serup, Malte Persson, Anna Hallberg.

The book can be ordered by clicking here.

5/27/07

Russia/New Zealand: the 'Russia' Issue of Landfall


Below is an announcement about the latest issue of New Zealand’s longest running and best known literary and arts journal, which I have co-edited with Gregory O’Brien, Evgeny Pavlov and Ian Wedde. As you will see, central to the issue is an act of international poetic exchange between Russian and New Zealand poets. Details of how to order the issue follow the announcement.

I have posted my essay from the issue, "No Place like Home: Encounters between New Zealand and Russian Poetries", in the "Papers" section of this blog. I welcome your responses to the essay and to the issue as a whole.


Landfall 213: the ‘Russia’ issue

A Russian anthology of New Zealand poetry, Land of Seas, was published in Moscow in 2005. Now New Zealand is reciprocating with a special issue of Landfall that includes contemporary Russian writing and art.

Edited by Jacob Edmond, Gregory O’Brien, Evgeny Pavlov and Ian Wedde, the ‘Russia’ issue features a selection of previously untranslated works by contemporary Russian poets: Arkadii Dragomoshchenko, Anna Glazova, Dmitry Golynko, Alexei Parshchikov, Olga Sedakova, Alexandr Skidan, Viktor Sosnora. Many of these translations have been created by leading New Zealand poets working in collaboration with Edmond and Pavlov. The issue also features a wide range of writing on contemporary Russian literary and art cultures, economies and diasporas.

As well as bringing Russian literature and art to New Zealand readers, the issue surveys the ways in which New Zealand writers have engaged—as travellers, readers and scholars—with Russia and its people.

Landfall 213 also includes an account by the curator Marcus Williams of the Blue Noses, whose comic video satires were a highlight of the 2005 Venice Biennale and whose work is substantially represented here.

Publication details
Landfall 213 - Russia
Editors: Jacob Edmond, Gregory O’Brien, Evgeny Pavlov, Ian Wedde
Release: 24 May 2007.
The issue is available now from the publisher and distributor below and from bookshops within New Zealand. You can also order the book from most places in the world at the New Zealand Books Abroad website.

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5/18/07

Dubravka Djuric: Sound Only


photo: Ch.Bernstein, 2007

I recently recorded Dubravka Djuric reading in Serbo-Croatian; it's at her new PennSound page. Here is a good test of Basil Bunting's remark that ninety percent of the poetry comes across just hearing it. Her performance is remarkable and much does come through without knowing her language. Or am I kidding myself (which I like to do in any case)?

3/21/07

The Gift: Poems by Hafiz the Great Sufi Master

Daniel Ladinsky, Translator
The Gift: Poems by Hafiz the Great Sufi Master
Penguin/Arkana, 1999, 326 pages, $13.95

Daniel Ladinsky's The Gift: Poems by Hafiz is an "original" poem masquerading as a "translation." These two readings are irreconcilable, and this fact profoundly mars the book.

As an "original" poem, the book belongs to the tradition of visionary, religious writing, as the following quote from its introduction makes clear: "I feel my relationship to Hafiz defies all reason and is really an attempt to do the impossible: to translate Light into words –to make the luminous resonance of God tangible to our finite senses. About six months into this work I had an astounding dream in which I saw Hafiz an an Infinite Fountaining Sun (I saw him as God), who sang hundreds of lines of his poetry to me in English, asking me to give that message to 'my artists and seekers'"

As God talked to Moses in Hebrew, to Mohammad in Arabic, Hafiz spoke to Daniel Ladinsky in English. Mr. Ladinsky is translating a dream, not a 14th century Persian text. His preparation towards it has the aura of the road to Damascus, "My work with Hafiz began in the fall of 1992, on a early morning walk in the countryside of western India, on a beautiful tree-lined road that leads to the former residence of Meher Baba...."

Incredible as it may seem, there is not a single poem (gazel) of Hafiz of which any one of the poems in The Gift: Poems by Hafiz The Great Sufi Master is a translation or adaptation or extrapolation or deconstruction; no poem in the book is in dialectic relation to a specific Persian text. Nada, besides the obvious fact that Mr. Ladinsky's poems ignore Hafiz's Gazel form. One parable in the book, "The Difference Between," belongs to Indian folklore. Hafiz did not write it; in fact, narrative is alien to Hafiz's elliptic, serialist lyric style. The book's most striking images are Mr. Ladinsky's inventions :

COURTEOUS TO THE ANT

God
Blooms
From the shoulder
of the
Elephant
Who becomes
Courteous
To
The
Ant.


It may be thrilling to discover a touch of Zen in Hafiz, "the Sufi Master"; but Hafiz never said these lines, except in Mr. Ladinsky's dream. Elephants nor, I think, ants appear in his poetry. No "God" blooms from no "shoulder." Once the assumption of a classical 146h century text behind it, which gives it a radiance as the receiver of a prior light, is removed as fictional, one has a new age rip-off. The poem becomes unreadable.

WHAT THE HELL

The
Real love
I always keep a secret.

All my words
Are sung outside Her window,

For when She lets me in
I take a thousand oaths of silence.

But,
Then She says,

O, then God says,

"What the hell, Hafiz,
Why not give the whole world
My
Address."


A witty, mildly shocking poem is putting curse words in Love/God's mouth and comparing "Her" to a courtesan. But, again, Hafiz never wrote these lines. The careful, self-conscious arrangement of words on a line suggesting a precise cadence being reproduced is a fiction. If the poem were by Hafiz, its Sufism would verge on heresy. As a 20th century poem, it is nothing. Its heretical aura is delicious (maybe that's what the author means by light) and virtual, devoid of danger.

In his renderings, Daniel Ladinsky alters Hafiz's text in two ways the combination of which, in my view, is fatal, creating the irreconcilable break between "originality" and "translation." The gazel is an intricate, serial, non-narrative form, often consisting of variations around a theme. Within a given rhyme scheme lines can be rearranged. Hafiz's elliptical and allusive style, reinforced by rhymes, create sound patterns similar to arabesques. Daniel Ladinsky may be forgiven for ignoring the intricate gazel form, particularly if he wants to focus on the clarity of Hafiz's vision –"translate his Light"- which is embodied in his images, his symbols.

Images, symbols are not metaphors, alluding to something outside themselves, in Hafiz; but autonomous. In her book on Sufism, Sufi, Expressions of the Mystic Quest, Laleh Bakhtiar describes this essence succinctly: "[symbols are] 'in suspense' in the place of their appearance... like an image suspended in a mirror. It is a perfectly real world, preserving all the diversity of the sensible world in a spiritual state." Symbols do not reflect or point to, but embody a vision. As spiritual essences, they are possessors of light. In other words, they can not be substituted or dispensed with. That's why Daniel Ladinsky's fictitious renderings are so profoundly wrong, even in the book's own pretended terms, making the poems unreadable as Hafiz translations. My Iranian friends are struck speechless by the clueless nerve of the author's assertions.

Why does the title of the book say, "Poems by Hafiz," and not "based on" or something in that vein? The charitable answer would be that Mr. Ladinsky did not know any better, that he truly believes he is translating Hafiz and The Gift is a visionary labor of love. –He told me as much in a telephone conversation, pointing to how well the book is doing, when I asked him to refer me to one or two specific Hafiz Gazels in the book, which he could not.- The second answer is that "Hafiz" is a marketable brand name. Would Arkana have published this book if its author was merely Daniel Ladinsky? I am also curious if Penguin has ever vetted the nature of these translations.

The Gift may give great delight as a new age religious/inspirational text, decidedly less so, in my view, as a 20th century poem; but one should have no illusion one is reading Hafiz, either his text or his spirit. As such, the book is worse than a failure; it is a deception, a marketing rip-off of his name.

The following are three couplets from two gazels from In Wineseller's Street, Renderings of Hafez by Thomas Rain Crowe. These translations may be imperfect, but the light emanating from them is authentic, revealing perhaps that Holderlin is the poet closest to Hafiz in spirit in the West:

As the Beloved passes by in a open boat, all He sees are strangers,
And this is why He always wears a veil

O lord, tell me how it is that wine sticks in the lip of a pitcher,
Like blood. And yet when it is poured a sweet glugging fills the air.

Help! The Hearstealer has gone away. Through my weeping eyes
The idea of a letter from Him, is like reading words floating on the
water of a rushing stream.

Murat Nemet-Nejat
The Poetry Project Newsletter, 1999

1/30/07

Further Thoughts on Modern and Ancient Translations

Thinking on Lawrence Venuti's provocative entry, "Where is the foreign in "international," the last two weeks days, I tried to see whether there is a difference between translating from contemporary texts and ancient ones. My first answer was that there is not. The difference between translations of poetry in the last twenty years or so and before is that many more American poets of the last twenty years have a sense of self-sufficiency, that they are at the center of poetic universe. They do not experience the sense of lack, need, which I think is at the root of all generative translations. For instance, Ron Silliman's blog –being the most visited by experimental poets, I assume quite representative- has very few discussions of translations or of foreign writers per se. The blog reminds me of Henry Ford's famous assertion that, "history is bunk"(what would Ford have said of the events in Iraq, of Ramsfeld's "new thinking" as opposed to "old thinking"?). Ironically, Silliman's early essays consistently refer to European thinkers and writers. One key rationale for the necessity of the "new sentence," the basis of his poetics, is a European event, the invention of the printing press, which, for him, transforms a poetry for the ear (performed) to a poetry of the book.

I agree that there have been even fewer translations of ancient texts than of contemporary ones in the last twenty five years,. Nevertheless, I can add a few to the list started by Lawrence ("Men in Aida" and "War Music") and Kent ("The Tablets"): Andrew Schelling's translations of Sanskrit erotic lyrics, Vincent Katz's "The Satyricon" and Kent Johnson's "The Miseries of Poetry," which contains a group of translations of ancient Greek fragments at its core.

What is provocative and insightful about Lawrence's distinction is that it points to a real, significant difference between the translations on the list and those of contemporary texts. While the latter texts focus more on the interests and issues of poetic language, translations of ancient texts have a thematic dimension, as if the interest in the ancient text has something to do with the attempt to say something about one's own time.

All these texts revolve around the themes of war and sexuality, and the nexus of violence which connects them both. In "The Tablets," "The Miseries of Poetry" and k. Iskender's "souljam" this sadomasochistic violence connects to the fragmentation (dissolution through time) of language, that is to say, to translation.

I would like now to include a number of my translations from 13th and 16th century Turkish poetic texts, and also an adaptation from the 16th century Persian poet, Hafiz. These translations had an important place in my development of the idea of eda. I hope they will add to the discussions.

Go to the translations >>

Ciao,

Murat Nemet-Nejat

1/24/07

Keeping ourselves unrecognizable

Some comments in response to reading the last several posts about the gazes and languages of this space. First, I wonder about speaking in tongues, which, in my experience of doing this and hearing it as a teenage charismatic in Jerusalem, never involves 'actual' known languages but rather picks up pieces of vocables, fricatives, vowelizings, demi-screaming, mutterings, chants, and much repetition.

So I wonder how Linh's post titled 'speaking in tongues,' and its Nguyen Ducmanh quotations, potentially connects to the concern about English-language hegemony. The problem is multiple and constellated, as you all have been saying. How do we communicate (in limited languages we know) and simultaneously hear the many voices of those who are other to us. How do we gather in and go out. I do think having a primary recourse to otherness – the otherness of ourselves as well – is part of being able to be in good faith with the impossibility of this project of saying and hearing. Speaking in tongues as a gap space in which we observe and participate in the destructuring of set languages to listen to our own and others.

And I wonder how much Linh's hearing recurrent threads involving animism can be an articulated part of this saying and hearing. I don't know if you mean animism as pantheistic (rather than metaphysical, another definitional strand of animism) – but if you do, then it may well be that animism is a part of current attention, though I would put this in the context of those modernisms that Did make room for a certain kind of animism, one attuned to the self-identity/self-sufficiency of words (Stein) or to the contributory cultural affect of objects (so many – those like Riding who, like Calvino and Borges later, wrote in the affective resonance of places, pets, household objects [and this of course recalls Poe, Maturin, Marie de France, others, albeit with differing motivations, since of course Kent rightly wants to point us history-looking too]), and so on.

Given the code hegemony of English, which underlies computing deliveries as surely as the U.S. continues to insist it be the exclusive house for All global servers, thank you very much, this space is permeated by the issues raised by these last several posts. Nor do I think they are resolvable as such, though I think it's valuable to keep reminding ourselves of our limits and importunities. Part of living in what I have taken to calling the digitas, an agglomeration of civitas, finger-typing, and digitalism that brings us to each other here. The digitas is multi-lingual (multi-semiotic), unresolvable (active only in constellation), and animated by many constituent bodies. It is as such at least partly responsive to the issue of translation/invention Larry Venuti points out, as we acknowledge context shifts, time shifts, language shifts, and the value of the difficulty involved in making the speak-leap to what we don't yet recognize.

Lisa Samuels

1/21/07

Rethinking the notion of invention

I would like to respond to the posts of Lawrence Venuti and Charles Bernstein on the "foreign" in the "office of the translator", as a poet, translator and foreigner in any English-language office. And also as one of the co-founders of this blog.

The word "exchange" in the title of this blog should be interpreted, in my opinion, as referring to "a place where poetry and poetics are exchanged", i.e. "offered, given, or received". The vehicle used for the offering is, for practical reasons, the English language. The very word "international" indicates that the activities are "reaching beyond national boundaries".

The aim of this initiative is not being an "Anglocentric" or "US" site. On the contrary. It searches as much "for modernist and postmodernist poetries" in the English language as it does in other languages.

The contributions to this blog are, up to now, for a not inconsiderable part from non-native English speakers. Only a third of the visitors is from the US.

Personally, when I'm reading this blog - or for that matter looking for interesting material to translate - I'm not after "resemblance, sameness, in poetic traditions and situations", the opposite is true, I'm searching for "poetic traditions and situations" that differ from those in The Netherlands. Out of curiosity, inquisitiveness? I don't know, but the desire is there.

And of course, foreign poetry is often unfamiliar, and "invention", in this context, only a relative notion, depending on the readers background - i.e. on his or her knowledge of foreign and native poetry - and the readers point of view. Poetry that is "inventive" within the framework of its own "poetic tradition" might be "out of date" within the scope of another, foreign "poetic tradition". Or the other way round.

"Invention" here is not necessarily pointing to a contrivance originated after experiment, but also to a, often personally, discovery of differences between familiar and foreign poetry and poetics. My own poetry is unmistakable influenced by the translations I've done.

On the other hand, a blog like this, also reveals, as Charles indicates, similarities between "homegrown" and foreign poetry and poetics, sometimes even totally unexpected.

Openness to foreignness, free from prejudices, is, to me, crucial in the concept of "invention as a voyage of discovery", that, above all, is a very personal trip.

1/19/07

The office of the translator

I welcome the comments of Larry Venuti, especially since his great books on the poetics of translation have been crucial for thinking about the issues he raises. It's important that we face the problems with the English-based format of this blog as well as inherent biases in the project (and the excess of Americans like us). But perhaps this is a place to discuss just the issues you raise, perhaps that is the value. (So I second Murat's response.) No blog can possibly do justice to the range of poetry being produced in 2007, much less over a longer period. But perhaps here we can form a provisional alliance along lines of "affinity" rather than "foreignness." The problem is that the "otherness" of "foreignness" might become a justification, esp. in the US, for turning a deaf ear to immediately and "locally" (in the aesthetic and ideological but not geographical sense) relevant work in poetry and poetics being done in many places and many languages -- and make even more invisible the translator and the translator’s office -- things that you, Larry, have written so eloquently about. In 2007, it may also be that those of who congregate at this site have more in common than we have with many in our nation-language official poetry institutions. Perhaps this "we" -- this emergent local -- needs a place of its own not because we are foreign to one another but just because we are not.